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Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 505	Posted - 2014.01.11 12:29:00 - [1] - Quote I am just curious if there is a way to modify a chat log. I have an idea to create a Miner Insurance Corporation where miners can pay the corporation a monthly premium and if they lose their ship, the corporation will reimburse them for the ship they have insured. To qualify for reimbursement the killmail would reflect that they were tanking their ship but they would also be required to type something in Local or other chat channel a couple seconds immediately before or after the kill. I just don't want people modifying chat logs to reflect their presence when they weren't actually there. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 505	Posted - 2014.01.11 12:45:00 - [2] - Quote Ramona McCandless wrote: Kimmi Chan wrote: I am just curious if there is a way to modify a chat log. I have an idea to create a Miner Insurance Corporation where miners can pay the corporation a monthly premium and if they lose their ship, the corporation will reimburse them for the ship they have insured. To qualify for reimbursement the killmail would reflect that they were tanking their ship but they would also be required to type something in Local or other chat channel a couple seconds immediately before or after the kill. I just don't want people modifying chat logs to reflect their presence when they weren't actually there. Hmm as far as I know its far easier to modify chat logs than KMs. Chat logs are stored as text files. Im trying to think of a good suggestion. KMs are ok, I know that the New Order accepts them for lost catalyst and stabber compensation claims when theres been a positive result on a gank, if thats any help. Yea I was fairly confident in the accuracy of KMs. Shirley "You can't be" Serious wrote: chat logs are stored in plain txt files under "\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs". trivial to edit and upload them to pastebin or wherever, to claim things. You'd need multiple independent sources of the chatlogs, to find any anomalies. Maybe having a chat channel that is open all the time with myself or another "Claims Representative" monitoring it. Time stamp compared to the KM? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 505	Posted - 2014.01.11 13:06:00 - [3] - Quote Shirley "You can't be" Serious wrote: that would work, but there are a couple technical issues: 1. 100% coverage of representatives, over the 23/7 of the EVE week. Difficult to guarantee someone is online all the time, due to things outside your control - Socket Closed errors, ISP problems, that sort of thing. 2. False claims - someone may accuse a particular representative of being untrustworthy, and submit doctored chatlogs. The representative only really has their chatlogs to support them. He-Said-She-Said and all that. These lessen when you have enough of a critical mass of people, but it's getting to that point that's the problem. Have to convince people of your honesty and integrity and all that first, so that they can trust you, and trust your systems&procedures. Thanks Ramona and Shirley. It's easy for me to sit here and think this is a decent idea and I appreciate you both for the insight. I think a lot of this can be managed by legalese in the policy. Insurance companies don't make money by just handing out free money. In the simplest terms, they profit from the rampant stupidity of others (not a dig at anyone just a fact). I think if the policy is written in a way that places absolute requirements for reimbursement there is a profit to be made. Those requirements being (at least for the time being): Fit a tank. (Verified by KM) Don't be AFK. (Verified by chat log - maybe a trusted 3rd party) Have standard insurance (this would classify more as GAP insurance) Don't mine while actively war-decced. I could also add that NPC corp characters do not qualify. Not just for profit but in the interest of emergent gameplay. Not totally sold on this idea yet but... And the policy would include some kind of absolute that all decisions by XXX Insurance are final etc. The real question I have to ask myself honestly is, if this is a good idea why has no one else done it yet? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 505	Posted - 2014.01.11 13:21:00 - [4] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: http://evelocal.com/ Thank you Pix. I've not seen this before. And this can't be modified I am guessing? "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 506	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:13:00 - [5] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Create a tax haven corp for them to join in? ... but ... Killmails can't be faked if linked ingame, so I'm wondering why you'd need a chatlog too? Just trying to understand, so I can help. :) Chatlog to prove not AFK. A valid claim would require the pilot to say, "Claim" or something else within seconds of being podded in a verifiable chat channel somewhere. Time stamp on the KM would be verified against the time stamp of the "Proof of presence" in the channel. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 506	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:15:00 - [6] - Quote Angelica Dreamstar wrote: Just trying to understand, so I can help. :) Ramona McCandless wrote: I think that we could be good Insurance Investigators for you. I love you both. Seriously, I want to have your babies. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 507	Posted - 2014.01.11 15:25:00 - [7] - Quote Looks like I might be spending some time at work drafting a standard policy. Because I certainly don't do any work at work. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 509	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:07:00 - [8] - Quote Silvetica Dian wrote: surely they could just buy a mining permit, obey the code and be totally safe? Having the necessary permits would certainly lower their premiums. It would certainly reflect on the individual miner that they have accounted for all their operational costs. A responsible miner is a great customer. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 509	Posted - 2014.01.12 09:12:00 - [9] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Whats wrong with 2 simple rules: 1. Platinum insurance.... 2. Dont fly what you cant afford to lose. 1. Platinum insurance does not pay the market value of the hull. That is the purpose of GAP insurance. 2. Of course, but why not be covered. No one ever truly plans on losing a hull. But in the event it does happen they can have piece of mind - because they were doing everything they were supposed to do, their friendly GAP insurance agent has their back. "You should just create one thread and put all of your complaints in it instead of littering the forums with multiple threads." ~CCP Falcon Paranoia never killed anyone. -áA complete absence of it has.

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